312.321.2417 [Updated: Sealed court document, ABC News]

Update [2008-3-5 20:11:4 by susanhu]: See my new story at NoQuarter, "ABC News: Rezko $50 million in debt." I also uploaded the heretofore sealed court document that ABC News obtained and reports on.

"Sen. Obama, time to call us about Rezko: (312) 321-2417," Chicago Sun-Times, March 6, 2008:

Jury selection began Monday in the trial of political influence peddler Tony Rezko. This would be the time -- before a single witness takes the stand -- for Barack Obama to finally share every detail of his relationship with Rezko. [...]

For months, Sun-Times investigative reporters have had a standing request to meet with Obama, face to face, to get answers to questions such as these:

•   How many fund-raisers did Rezko throw for Obama?

•   Obama is donating $150,000 to charity that Rezko brought into the campaign. But how much in all did Rezko raise?

•   Did Rezko find jobs for Obama backers in the Blagojevich administration or elsewhere?

•   Why did Obama only recently admit -- after Bloomberg News broke the story -- that Rezko had toured his South Side mansion with him in 2004 before he bought it?

Dribs and drabs of people's lives have a most unfortunate way of coming out in trials.

Ouch.  These reporters and their questions, not to mention the snark in that last sentence. BELOW THE FOLD, there are cut-to-the-quick observations in "The fight is far from over" from the New Statemen on Mr. Obama's problems (R.e.z.k.o. and much more).  

Now here's more from across the pond, via Martin Fletcher of the UK's Times, who has some answers to his own questions, in "Q&A: Barack Obama and Tony Rezko." The question and answer about Iraqi millionaire Nadhmi Auchi, in particular, may interest readers since it is Larry Johnson who has done much of the reporting and analyzing on Rezko's shady involvements with Auchi.  

Where does Nadhmi Auchi fit in?

Mr Rezko ended up in prison in January for violating bail by failing to declare a $3.5 million loan from Nadhmi Auchi, a British-Iraqi billionaire who was convicted of corruption in the Elf scandal in France in 2003. Mr Auchi was involved with Mr Rezko in a pizzeria business in the Midwest as well as a 62-acre property development in Chicago, and had lent millions of dollars to him.

An earlier $3.5 million dollar loan to Mr Rezko was made only weeks before Mrs Rezko bought the garden next to the Obamas' new house. Mr Auchi says the loan was for business reasons.

Read all of Martin Fletcher's questions and answers -- it's good background on the story.

See Larry's article, "Will Rezko Blow Up Obama?."  You'll find more Auchi-related NoQuarter stories here.  

Now here's Andrew Stephen of the New Statesman (he is also a BBC contributor), in "The fight is far from over":

With Hillary Clinton apparently set for victory in Texas, Ohio and Rhode Island Andrew Stephen reports on her reinvigorated campaign and the tarnish now on Barack Obama's sheen

It was all so tragic for Senator Barack Obama. ... [...]

Most damaging of all for his campaign, though, was the realisation that St Barack was not above telling fibs and using underhand campaign tactics; if you assiduously cultivate an image of unadulterated rectitude and honour, then the fall from grace is going to be that much greater. Instead of the soaring oratory from Obama to which television viewers had become accustomed, last Monday they saw instead a petulantly defensive candidate trying to explain that he had not lied over his North American Free Trade Agreement policy or his ties to Antoine "Tony" Rezko - a Syrian-born property developer in Chicago whose trial for fraud and attempted extortion had, propitiously, begun that very day. [...]

Doubts over Senator Obama's integrity were thus clearly planted. Imitating his rhetoric, Clinton also found, got under his skin. "I could just stand up here and say [that] the sky will open, the light will come down, celestial choirs will be singing, and everyone will know we should do the right thing and the world will be perfect," she rhapsodised to supporters in Rhode Island. In the week before last Tuesday's elections, her campaign produced a television ad depicting her, as president, receiving news of a crisis at three am - subliminally suggesting that Obama would not be capable of dealing with grave national security matters.

That was immediately followed by a second ad, claiming that "as chair of a committee that oversees the force fighting al-Qaeda in Afghanistan, Obama was too busy to hold even ONE hearing on Afghanistan." The Obama campaign, which spent twice as much as Clinton on television and radio ads in Ohio and Texas, immediately retaliated by putting out its own, almost identical three am ad - saying that "when that call gets answered, shouldn't the president be the one, the only one, who had [the] judgement and courage to oppose the Iraq war from the start?"

But the belligerence of the Clinton ad forced the US media - which will not look back on its initial worshipful coverage of Senator Obama as its finest era - to put St Barack under a scrutiny to which he had not been subjected before, even re-visiting some of his later more equivocal statements on Iraq. Instead of hearing cable news anchormen like 62-year-old Chris Matthews of MSNBC gushing that when he heard Obama "I felt this thrill going up my leg...this is the New Testament," newsmen and women started investigating whether Obama was being truthful when he implied to Senator Clinton in a televised debate last January that his ties with Rezko were limited to five hours' work as a lawyer working for a church.

Readers of the NS were aware last 10 January that Obama's relationship with Rezko was much deeper, but I suspect that 99 per cent of the US electorate knew nothing of it until just before last Tuesday: that Rezko and Obama had been close friends for a quarter of a century, that Rezko was Obama's biggest fundraiser, and that the two were involved in a complicated and still-unexplained property deal in which they bought adjoining mansions on the same day and which supposedly brought Obama $300,000 profit. "I've never done any favours for [Rezko]," Obama told the Chicago Tribune last December, apparently overlooking letters of support for Rezko's $14m project he had written as an Illinois state senator in 1998.

In American politics, it is invariably the cover-up rather than the initial deed which brings down politicians. In what is already being called "Naftagate," Obama silenced Clinton in a televised debate in Ohio by promising to "use the hammer of a potential opt-out as leverage" to re-negotiate Nafta. Canadian television then reported that, shortly afterwards, the Obama campaign had privately assured the Canadian government that Senator Obama's statement in the debate was just "political positioning" and should not be taken seriously.

Dr Susan Rice, one of Obama's top foreign policy advisers (and no relation to Condoleezza), soon emphatically denied the report: "There [has] been no such contact. There [have] been no discussions on Nafta." Obama himself then told WKYC-TV in Ohio that "I think it's important for viewers to understand that [the report] was not true" and that "it did not happen." But on what turned out to be Black Monday for Obama, the Associated Press reported that it had obtained a 1,300-word memo repudiating Obama's denials and confirming that Obama's senior economic adviser had indeed met Canadian officials last 8 February, telling them that Obama's anti-Nafta stance was "more about political positioning than a clear articulation of policy plans." ...

Read all -- there's much more -- of "The fight is far from over."

And stay tuned.  I'll be adding more Rezko stories as I get a chance to read them.  You do the same in the comments below.



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Re: 312.321.2417 (2.00 / 13)

Last night and this morning, at No Quarter, I wrote very upbeat celebratory posts ... and it felt so good to be so happy for Hillary's tremendous victories.

Now, back to the business of vetting Sen. Obama.  It is vital to do so now, rather than when it's too late.  Hillary is vetted.  He is not.


by susanhu on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 11:49:50 AM EST

Re: 312.321.2417 (2.00 / 2)

Hillary (i.e. Bill) may be vetted from 7 years ago, but there are a lot of questions still out there. I'd feel more comfortable about Hillary if somebody was digging into her as much as you are digging into Obama.


unapologetic Obama supporter
by dantes on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 11:56:22 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Ummm... (2.00 / 6)

Hillary always had been vetted. That's just it. We know what we're getting with Hill. We know the same ol' garbage the Republicans will be throwing at her... And we know how to work with Hill to beat them.


Help Clintonistas for Obama help Democrats win! :-)
by atdleft on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 12:02:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Ummm... (2.00 / 2)

Stuff and nonsense.

If Hillary Clinton is so well vetted, why won't she release her tax returns?

What is she hiding in the WH papers?


by mainelib on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 01:00:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Don't forget facts (none / 0)

And what about:

http://deepbackground.msnbc.msn.com/arch ive/2008/02/29/718285.aspx

http://www.cbc.ca/mrl3/8752/vsu/wmv-hi/m acdonald-obama-memo080303.wmv

http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/200802 18/pl_bloomberg/ar8nlioqedc4


--1jphusseinb-- she's not a monster, as far as I know--diplomat Sinbad, making the world safe--all bluster, no cattle--
by 1jpb on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 01:22:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Ummm... (none / 0)

Wow awesome we know she has a 49% ceiling and that's somehow a positive.


by Socraticsilence on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 01:46:30 PM EST
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Re: Ummm... (2.00 / 3)

Nope that's the floor not the ceiling.

Why does she beat McCain in OH when Obama doesn't?


No longer a Democrat, now proudly an independent voter!
by Ga6thDem on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 02:09:06 PM EST
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Re: Ummm... (none / 0)

No it's not.  The floor is 40 percent.  She'd be hard pressed to break 50 percent.


by Drummond on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 02:40:57 PM EST
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Re: Ummm... (2.00 / 2)

Why is she besting McCain in OH when Obama is not? Why is Obama losing NJ then? Why is Obama behind her by 10 pts in FL? Why is Obama losing PA? The only place Obama does better for the most part is states with a further left population than the rest of the country. His polling is like Dukakis.


No longer a Democrat, now proudly an independent voter!
by Ga6thDem on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 03:34:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Ummm... (none / 0)

Yeah vetted.. Nevermind Boratgate, or undiclosed taxes..


by Why Not on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 02:31:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

even if you think this is so (2.00 / 6)

how does that make Obama's dealings with Tony unimportant?  He called this phase of the campaign Chicago slap down, and he claims to be good at it. Where and what did he learn and to whom does he owe his 'experience?'


by anna shane on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 02:51:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Really? (2.00 / 6)

If there are all these questions, why haven't you been writing diaries about them?  Why haven't you been tipping the media about them?  Do you think the press is shy in its desire to derail Hillary Clinton?  (If you do, I think you must have missed the Suzanne Malveaux-Chris Matthews suicide watch last night.)


Another Hillary Supporter for Obama!
by Beltway Dem on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 12:19:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Really? (2.00 / 1)

Frankly, up until now I think Obama supporters have (for the most part)tried to maintain the same positive message as their canidate, now however I have a feeling the gloves might come off.


by Socraticsilence on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 01:49:14 PM EST
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Re: Really? (2.00 / 7)

Bwahahaha!  Yes, all the positive Obama supporters around here are a constant source of good cheer.  Thanks for the laugh.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 02:15:01 PM EST
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Re: like what? (2.00 / 0)

Really, you care about proof? And yet you keep Reccing Susan's innuendo filled diatribes, huh go figure.


by Socraticsilence on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 01:47:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 312.321.2417 (2.00 / 2)

I still don't see how Obama's name is actually going to come up at the trial.  I'd be very surprised.  But I think it was a big mistake for his campaign to send an observer to the trial - even though they surely figured no one would know.  It effectively gave the press license to continue drawing the connection.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 12:02:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 312.321.2417 (none / 0)

This story is hype

http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/200802 18/pl_bloomberg/ar8nlioqedc4

just like

http://www.cbc.ca/mrl3/8752/vsu/wmv-hi/m acdonald-obama-memo080303.wmv


--1jphusseinb-- she's not a monster, as far as I know--diplomat Sinbad, making the world safe--all bluster, no cattle--
by 1jpb on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 01:25:09 PM EST
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Re: 312.321.2417 (2.00 / 0)

My god you wrote something other than hack attack diaries, good thing you didn't post them here, your Freeper like record may have been broken.


by Socraticsilence on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 01:45:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 312.321.2417 (2.00 / 11)

We will be seeing a lot of this video in the days to come:

"It did not happen."

Incredible. He looks straight into the camera and lies. What a huge blunder.


by MediaFreeze on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 11:51:10 AM EST

And for someone... (2.00 / 8)

Claiming to be all about "honesty" and "goodness"and "hope"and "change", it doesn't help for Obama to flat out LIE. He's only hurting himself here.


Help Clintonistas for Obama help Democrats win! :-)
by atdleft on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 11:54:30 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Wait until they file taxes... (2.00 / 6)

And we'll see what's there. Otherwise, you look ridiculous parroting right-wing crap that belongs on Rush Limbaugh's radio show.


Help Clintonistas for Obama help Democrats win! :-)
by atdleft on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 12:04:16 PM EST
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(Comment Deleted) (1.00 / 1)

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by amiches on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 03:18:31 PM EST
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It was the truth (2.00 / 2)

It was the the truth. Don't let the conservative smear machine dupe you.


by mattw on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 12:44:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 312.321.2417 (2.00 / 1)

Total bullshit, as shown by this diarist
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/5/1 12926/0842/300/469572

I think it's safe to say that the turmoil surrounding the so-called "NAFTAgate" played into Hillary's strong performance tonight. On the heels of "Super Tuesday II", CBC, Canada's Public Broadcaster, has done a piece on the NAFTA scandal.

The CBC piece details the involvement of the conservative Harper government in creating a sensationalized leak, which itself had almost no resemblance to the actual memo, which itself is now being disclaimed as perhaps not accurate at all. We peel off layers of deception, and there is nothing left at all, except a successful attempt to promote bloodletting among Democrats.

Originally written and posted to myDD; I was encouraged to put it here, so I am. Hat Tip to csquared for posting the first link I saw to the CBC broadcast. I hope this diary adds something to our understanding of what happened, how, and why.

   * mattw's diary :: ::
*

Video from CBC:

http://www.cbc.ca/...

This piece details the sordid affair, that begins not with Obama contacting Canada, but nervous Canadians contacting the campaigns. Austan Goolsbee agreed to accept an invitation from Canadians, who pressed him for answers about protectionist sentiments emerging in the US Presidential election. He tried to reassure them that Obama did not want to do away with the agreement, but wanted to add labor and environmental protections.

Someone in the Harper government - Prime Minister of Canada and a member of their Conservative Party - apparently decided to leak a sensational lie that bears a very loose resemblance of the truth. A source leaked to CTV that the Obama campaign had called Michael Wilson, Canadian Ambassador to the US, and warned them that Obama was going to talk tough on NAFTA, but it would be just talk.

According to CBC, all the details were wrong. Canada contacted the campaigns. Michael Wilson was not involved. And, most damning, they are now admitting that the memo at the heart of the controversy "may not accurately reflect what they were told".

In other words, according to CBC, this scandal was manufactured out of whole cloth. Goolsbee said something consistent with Obama's official position - that he wanted protections added, but it wasn't going to be a fundamental change or revocation of NAFTA, and that Obama was not a protectionist. This was morphed somewhat going into the memo, and now the embassy admits they "may have misrepresented the Obama advisor". Even after the memo misrepresented Obama, the Harper government took it a step further and then leaked a completely fantastic version of the story to the press, in order to maximize the bloodletting.

In short, Chris Bowers was right. This whole thing is clever maneuvering on the part of the Harper government to bolster McCain by sowing dissent among Democrats.

A lot has been written about this scandal. The sensational misrepresentation of the original CTV story was shocking. But now CBC has cleared the air, with the final note from the embassy that they "may have misrepresented the Obama advisor". In the end, there's nothing to the story but air. It all boiled down to a memo, which was far less dramatic in content than the first story that ran, and now they are even disclaiming the accuracy of the memo.

In short, people have been duped. With the memo disclaimed, there is nothing left to support this story.

What about the denial?

Much has been made of Obama's looking right into a camera and claiming the story was "completely false". I want to address this in particular because of the timing.

2/27 11pm - CTV breaks initial story, claiming the Obama campaign called Canada to warn them he would be saying something he didn't mean. A shocking claim to a shocking level of duplicity.

2/28 - The story makes the rounds, absolutely exploding. Denials about, such as the Canadian embassy flatly denying it.

2/29 - Obama's TV interview where he unequivocally denies the story.

3/3 - Now, finally, the memo is out. Not only does the memo not even approach the level of duplicity implied by the original CTV story, but according to CBC, after the Embassy staff reviewed the notes about the meeting, they now believe they may have misrepresented Goolsbee's comments.

Given this timeline, and the drastic change in the story, it is very easy to see why Obama was comfortable with a blanket denial.  The claims of the original story bear so little resemblance to what eventually surfaced that it is unlikely Obama even connected the story to Goolsbee's meeting, given that the talk of NAFTA took up only a few minutes of that meeting - even if Obama knew of the particulars of that meeting. (Given his schedule, also not a given.)

In the end, the leak by the Harper government achieved its goal - it helped Hillary on her offensive and has helped ensure that the Democratic primary will drag on, causing Democrats to spend money fighting each other instead of John McCain, and giving McCain more time without a clear Democratic nominee, allowing him to catch up to our fundraising ability.

I don't think any of this casts any aspersion on Hillary's campaign or candidacy. She was the unwitting beneficiary, but not the cause. However, I think the eagerness of some to attack and tear down our candidates is something we - as people who want to see a Democrat in the White House - need to be cautious with. Having a spirited debate over an issue - like the difference in our candidates' health care plans - is one thing. Letting conservative forces drum up outrage with fake news stories, on the other hand, does not serve our interests. This will not be the last time we see tricks like this.

It is to the Republican advantage that we become so committed to our candidates, so myopic, so hateful of the "other side" that is keeping our candidate from their rightful nomination, that we are unwilling to use our vote or our money wisely in the general election. The Republican base is scattered. They are disorganized. They are dissatisfied with their nominee. Their last, best hope for a win relies on Democratic bloodletting reaching a historic level, leaving us too bloodied and battered to be on our game for the General Election.

It isn't fair to expect either candidate to bow out at this juncture. But I am coming to terms with the need to make a commitment to maintain a certain level of respect, so that if the "other candidate" is the winner, I am mentally and emotionally ready to take the fight where it belongs - to John McCain and the failed and irresponsible policies of George W. Bush. I firmly believe that if we put our hearts in the right place, we can make it to the convention and pick a nominee there, and still be united and ready to win.

Whatever we do, let's not let dirty tricks like the "NAFTAgate" scandal distract us from our ultimate goal.


by mainelib on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 01:01:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 312.321.2417 (2.00 / 4)

Given this timeline, and the drastic change in the story, it is very easy to see why Obama was comfortable with a blanket denial.  The claims of the original story bear so little resemblance to what eventually surfaced that it is unlikely Obama even connected the story to Goolsbee's meeting, given that the talk of NAFTA took up only a few minutes of that meeting - even if Obama knew of the particulars of that meeting.

Sorry, but that doesn't pass the sniff test. You can write those words down. You might even believe them yourself, but it is not going to convince anyone that he didn't know a lot more than he admitted to when he was asked the question. He was parsing.

So, completely innaccurate? Did not happen? End of discussion?

"It did not happen."

Clearly Obama was parsing. His brilliant media advisers (who should be taken out and shot) probably carefully crafted his response to have technical deniability. That's why he says the Canadians denied it etc. But this is not a court of law. People know when they've been lied to. But, when the questioner asked "Completely innacurate? Did not happen?" Obama had to think fast. If he admits that anything did happen then the next obvious question would be "Well what?" so he is boxed in, and all that he can think to do is say "It did not happen." This is the only way he can cut off the conversation. Unfortunately it is also deliberately misleading because something certainly did happen. It may not be exactly what was reported, but what did happen would certainly be in the realm of response to the question. Your arguement that he "felt comfortable" with his response is therefore not a defense. I agree he felt comfortable. (Well maybe not that comfortable. Look at he eyes when he says "It did not happen.") Bottom line is the fact that he felt comfortable giving a response whose purpose was to deliberately mislead and fend off further inquiry is exactly the problem. It makes it worse that he was comfortable misleading the public.

This is exactly why this is such a huge problem for Obama. He appears so comfortable up on stage. His entire campaign is about his character as communicated by him using the comforting rhetoric of hope and change delivered so expertly. He is selling his character. Now there is a red handed incident of him caught on videotape using the same tone and oratorical gravitas to lie. It punctures the narrative. It calls into question all the other "sincere" bromides he's been pushing. I don't see how he recovers the high moral authority that is the centerpiece of his campaign after this.


by MediaFreeze on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 01:51:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

No resemblance to the actual memo? (none / 0)

Do you realize how ridiculous this Obama defense looks to someone outside the cult?

Here's the meat of the CTV report:


On Wednesday, CTV reported that a senior member of Barack Obama's campaign called the Canadian embassy within the last month saying that when Senator Obama talks about opting out of the free trade deal, the Canadian government shouldn't worry. The operative said it was just campaign rhetoric not to be taken seriously.

Totally caught out on his attempt to use NAFTA as a club in Ohio, Obama opted to lie:


Earlier Thursday, the Obama campaign insisted that no conversations have taken place with any of its senior ranks and representatives of the Canadian government on the NAFTA issue. On Thursday night, CTV spoke with Goolsbee, but he refused to say whether he had such a conversation with the Canadian government office in Chicago. He also said he has been told to direct any questions to the campaign headquarters.

Here is the relevant part of the memo:


"Noting anxiety among many U.S. domestic audiences about the U.S. economic outlook, Goolsbee candidly acknowledged the protectionist sentiment that has emerged, particularly in the Midwest, during the primary campaign," a consulate staffer wrote, according to AP. "He cautioned that this messaging should not be taken out of context and should be viewed as more about political positioning than a clear articulation of policy plans."

You can say with a straight face that this memo bears no resemblance to the original report?

No wonder this dishonest, vacuous campiagn is tanking.


by techfidel on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 06:02:28 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 312.321.2417 (none / 0)

Good question.

http://thememlingindex.com/hillary_clint on_net_worth-wealth.html


--1jphusseinb-- she's not a monster, as far as I know--diplomat Sinbad, making the world safe--all bluster, no cattle--
by 1jpb on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 01:26:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 312.321.2417 (none / 0)

Funny, how the CBC basically backed him up, I mean since CTV is good, then the CBC, Canda's most respected news source must be gospel.


by Socraticsilence on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 01:50:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 312.321.2417 (none / 0)

  The CBC is funded by the Govt. CTV is not. Not hard to figure out who is telling the truth.


Wisdom Is The Reward For Listening Over A Lifetime
by gunner on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 02:31:28 AM EST
[ Parent ]

I'm on that list. (2.00 / 0)

And I can assure you my donation was legal and correct and there is nothing horrible about it.


by Shazone on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 06:22:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 312.321.2417 (none / 0)

Clinton has said she'll release her taxes on the 15th. You just have to wait. In the meantime,  a Republican prosecutor looked at over 20 years of Clinton income tax filings and found nothing suspicious. Adults, who understand adult behavior, don't expect that there will be anything fishy on this year's tax return either.

As for the donor list, those people gave expecting anonymity. If you have problems with that, you need to change the law - something the Clintons' support doing. However, it's not fair to the donors to change the law retroactively, and obama supporters will not endear themselves to DEMOCRATS if they insist in knowing genuinely, legally protected private behavior. Remember, the people who gave to the Clinton library are the same people Obama will need to support him both with their votes and with their finances should he win the nomination. He won't be able to do that if he's insisted on violating their private business as part of a fishing expedition - that's how Republicans behave. Not other Dems.

And the Clintons have agreed to release everything from the archives except their private papers. The archives have a small staff. If you want to get through it sooner, encourage congress to provide more funding for Archive personnel. It's out of the clintons' hands now.

Do you actually know what's transpired in this campaign? Or do you not care? If Clinton says she'll release her tax returns on the 15th, do you just keep pretending that she said she won't? Why do that? it's not like the Clintons have engaged in a lot of secrecy - unlike Obama.


by Little Otter on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 01:36:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

LIE.LIE.LIES (1.00 / 4)

LIE Central it's Hillary calling....Please pickup.

Throwing dirt at an opponent usually works in American politics. Unfortunately the results give us weak and uninspiring leaders. That is what Hillary is offering us. No Thanks!


by JoeCoaster on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 11:54:28 AM EST

Tell that to Obama... (2.00 / 5)

And tell him to stop lying about NAFTA and start telling the truth about his relationship with Rezko. How can one be truly "inspired" if the "inspiration" is all false?


Help Clintonistas for Obama help Democrats win! :-)
by atdleft on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 11:56:21 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Ahh Spin (none / 0)

it's a wonderful thing. Did you hear that John Kerry is a coward and traitor....I did.    


by JoeCoaster on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 12:01:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Good point... (2.00 / 9)

You think the right's attacks on known war-hero John Kerry were nasty? Wait until they get their mitts on Obama. So how is he planning to deal with Rezko? NAFTA-gate? The present votes? Bill Ayers? He'd better have good responses, otherwise I'm not so sure Democrats in Pennsylvania want ot set our party up to be swift-boated into defeat yet again this fall.


Help Clintonistas for Obama help Democrats win! :-)
by atdleft on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 12:07:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Good point... (none / 0)

Are you kidding me! The Clinton's have a list of attack points that are twice as long. You think the Clinton years have been buried? They haven't.


by JoeCoaster on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 12:28:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Good point... (2.00 / 4)

Obama should have told the truth about Rezko from the gitgo - but he didn't.
And that's what makes him appear deceptive.

During an interview on ABC about a year ago, Obama was asked about Rezko. He barely knew Rezko - nothing to see...move along. The impression was Obama didn't have a clue the feds were investigating Rezko when Obama bought the house.

Since then - more info has crept out. Crept - due to the media ignoring Rezko.

But if Obama had admitted Rezko toured his house with him before he bought it - and admitted Rezko was a MAJOR bundler - and admitted the 15 year relationship with Rezko - it would have been obvious he was lying about "barely" knowing him.


Hillary/Obama08
by annefrank on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 02:54:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

The first I remember hearing about... (2.00 / 2)

Rezko was when Obama said he had done about 5 hours of legal work for him (through the firm Obama worked for).  And certainly implied little else.

BUT WAIT.  NOT TOTALLY TRUTHFUL.  BY A LONGSHOT.

1.  Obama writes letters of intro for loans for Rezko.

  1.  Rezko holds lots of fund raisers for Obama.
  2.  Rezko's wife - who earns about $35,000 a year - buys her first and only piece of property right next to the Obamas new house - and on the same day as the Obamas close.  And she does it with a $500,000 mortgage (who the hell wrote that mortgage...and where's she get the $125,000 deposit?)  And the sellers wanted to sell both properties at the same time - what a miracle, it happened (thanks to Mr. and Mrs. Rezko!).

Nobody I ever did 5 hours of legal work for ever did such wonderful things for me...and I am a very nice person.


by Shazone on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 06:28:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The first I remember hearing about... (none / 0)

Yes, but your not a rising politician, no one I know ever gave me the kind of stock tip that leads to 10000% return of cattle futures either.


by Socraticsilence on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 06:31:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

So you're admitting something smells... (2.00 / 1)

fishy?  And why did BO not admit to his relationship when first asked - that could have defused the situation a bit?


by Shazone on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 06:37:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

The inconvenient truth (2.00 / 10)

Joe, this really goes to the crux of Obama's problem now. Obama set himself up as the Washington outsider, above politics, a man of integrity with superior judgment, a man better than all the others, almost holy. Then he exposes himself as less than what he made himself out to be. In other words, he is not the man he led us to believe he is. Another way of saying this is that he is a fake. Obama created his own persona. Obama cultivated a long term relationship with Rezko. Obama took money from Rezko. Obama made questionable deals with Rezko. This isn't about Hillary. She has never set herself up as holier than thou. This is about Obama not delivering on who he says he is. Period.


by grlpatriot on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 12:18:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The inconvenient truth (none / 0)

It has always been a straw man to say that Obama set himself up as Mr. Perfect. It hasn't and no Obama supporter sees him this way.


by mainelib on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 01:50:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

There was no lie (none / 0)

There was no lie. The entire story was a conservative smear

Don't do the conservatives' job for them, please.


by mattw on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 12:51:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: There was no lie (2.00 / 4)

Matt, it was indeed a lie.

He knew when he was answering the question that there was a meeting. He said "It did not happen."

How is that not a lie?


by MediaFreeze on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 01:56:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: There was no lie (none / 0)

Please put the question and the answer verbatim, and then tell me that it's a lie.


by mattw on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 04:27:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Tell that to Obama... (none / 0)

Canda says leak was "blatantly unfair" to Obama:
  Harper said the government was mounting an "internal security investigation" to find out who leaked the information, which suggested Obama's campaign had said not to pay too much attention to his protectionist rhetoric on NAFTA.

"This kind of leaking of information is completely unacceptable and in fact ... it may well be illegal," the prime minister told Parliament.

"It is not useful, it is not in the interests of the government of Canada, and the way the leak was executed, Mr. Speaker, was blatantly unfair to Sen. Obama and his campaign."


by affratboy22 on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 04:39:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Tell that to Obama... (none / 0)

So.... the meeting happened as said - but the leak was not diplomatic....


by georgiast on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 08:56:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Tell that to Obama... (2.00 / 1)

Harper is a known liar and his campaign was partially funded by the christian right in the US.


Wisdom Is The Reward For Listening Over A Lifetime
by gunner on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 02:36:58 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: LIE.LIE.LIES (none / 0)

If Hillary was even a half way decent politician, with the advantages she has, Obama would not have stood a chance. I shudder at the type of leadership she would bring to the White House  


by JoeCoaster on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 11:57:41 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: What kind of Leadership? (none / 0)

 THought this might help:

Brigadier General John Watkins, Jr.- "As I think about the challenges facing the nation and having been in uniform for almost thirty years, worked with a number of presidents to include the last four, I can't think of a single person - those generals included - who is better qualified to walk into the Oval Office than Hillary Clinton. I don't make that statement very lightly. She is more qualified, in my view, than her husband Bill was when he entered the office. It is no surprise to me that you would have as many flag officers who serve this country and Secretaries of the Army and Navy who have served this country who would come out and support Hillary."

General Wesley Clark- "She has done her homework on national security and I know from my personal discussions with her and with many other friends that go in and brief her in her role in the Senate Armed Services Committee. She knows the facts, she knows the details, plus she has the big picture. She is a strategic thinker but she has the building blocks of the strategy in her personal knowledge. This is someone that when she is president our military is going to respect very highly, and when our Senior Officers brief her and meet with her they are going be very, very impressed by what she knows and the intelligence that she brings to these problems."
   Some of the others are: Major General Taguba served his country with distinction for 34 years, retiring from the Army in 2007. The son of a Filipino-American who survived the 1942 Bataan Death March, General Taguba led the Army's investigation into prisoner abuse at Abu Ghraib in 2004.
Admiral Owens, General Taguba, and General Watkins are among 27 flag-rank military officers who have endorsed Senator Clinton to be our nation's next Commander-in-Chief. They join more than 2,000 veterans and military retirees who are members of Senator Clinton's national and state veterans' steering committees.

     If you would like to see who all the others are go to: /www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/vi ew?id=6191

As for the 3 am call: Top Obama Foreign Policy Advisor Says He's Not Ready To Answer The Phone At 3AM
Susan Rice, Sen. Obama's top foreign policy advisor, today acknowledged that Sen. Obama is not ready to answer the phone at 3AM as President. Watch the video: http://facts.hillaryhub.com/  or just go to youtube.com
Transcript:

RICE: "Clinton hasn't had to answer the phone at three o'clock in the morning and yet she attacked Barack Obama for not being ready. They're both not ready to have that 3AM phone call.
3/5/2008 7:10:58 PM #


by artsyker on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 11:16:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: LIE.LIE.LIES (2.00 / 3)

Get off your magic pony for a moment, and address these serious reporters' questions.  Wait.  You can't, can you.  Hence the pathetic scream of "lies."


by susanhu on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 12:07:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: LIE.LIE.LIES (none / 0)

Not that they're wrong to ask, but what does it matter in the end? Is anything Obama did with Rezko going to come close to matching Norman Hsu and Marc Rich? Not a chance. The only way Rezko was an issue was if there was quid pro quo for Obama, which there was not. Even the sellers of the house have said: hey, Obama made the best offer, end of story.

As for Naftagate, it's been completely debunked as a Howard-originated smear.

I have to ask a serious question - are you astroturfing for Hillary or McCain?


by mattw on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 12:50:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: LIE.LIE.LIES (2.00 / 4)

The only way Rezko was an issue was if there was quid pro quo for Obama, which there was not.

The quid pro quo was that Rezko bought Obama's side yard for him, giving Obama free use of the property, including the parking spaces and driveway that were located on Rezko's part of the property.

Imagine if an indicted political fixer had bought the Clinton's garden and driveway and allowed them to use it, free of charge?


by hwc on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 01:57:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: LIE.LIE.LIES (none / 0)

And then Obama purchased it, paying 2.5x the appraised value in order to avoid the appearance of impropriety?

I don't think permitting Obama to park on his empty lot for a while quite rises to "quid pro quo". (Additionally, since rezko was still a respected real estate developer when Obama supported his low income housing project, I'm not sure there's a Quid for the Quo).


by mattw on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 02:05:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: LIE.LIE.LIES (none / 0)

Quid pro quo means that Obama did something for the favor.  What did he do?

No one has alleged that he did anything.  So what's the issue here?


by mainelib on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 02:34:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: LIE.LIE.LIES (none / 0)

That's why I said I didn't think there was a Quid for the Quo - but if I were a Hillary partisan, I would bring up the housing development that Obama supported. But we're talking about Obama trying to get low income housing units built by a respected developer, at that point. Rezko wasn't always tainted.


by mattw on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 02:47:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: LIE.LIE.LIES (2.00 / 3)

Obama still has exclusive use of Rezko's land. In fact, the only access to Rezko's land is from Obama's property. It's all one big yard surrounding Obama's house.

You can rationalize all you want. An indicted poltical fixer, a man Obama has called his political godfather, bought a $650,000 portion of Obama's property so Obama could afford his dream house.

If a Republican did this, you'd be calling for his head.


by hwc on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 03:11:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: LIE.LIE.LIES (none / 0)

Isn't rezko's land completely undeveloped? Who cares where the access to a lot is? It can't be "surrounding" Obama's house, a city would never zone one properly wrapping around another.

In a city I used to live in, one guy wanted a really big yard. So he bought a house, and the undeveloped lot next to it, and put a big lawn and a pond there. My impression was that that's what this was, in reverse. You had a house with a really huge lot that the Obama's didn't want. It was rezoned to be 2 lots instead of 1, and they sold them separately, although they insisted they close the same day.

Not Obama's brightest hour.

As for calling for heads - I do not like it. But Hillary has worse in her past, and McCain has a graveyard of skeletons in his closet. Comparing the Keating S&L scandal to Rezko is like comparison a nuclear weapon to a watergun.


by mattw on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 04:10:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: LIE.LIE.LIES (2.00 / 0)

No. Rezko's land is not "completely undeveloped". It's the fully developed lawn, gardens, and driveway for Obama's house. Both parcels have always been enclosed by the same fence and landscaped shrubbery border.

The video will no longer play, but look at this post for photo of the entire property:

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/1/29/1051 54/627


by hwc on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 06:12:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 312.321.2417 (2.00 / 7)

I expect the clamoring for answers to get louder and louder after that press conference he walked out on. The press is like bloodhounds on a scent.


No longer a Democrat, now proudly an independent voter!
by Ga6thDem on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 11:58:17 AM EST

When Obama strode (2.00 / 6)

out of that press conference, I had the feeling he thought he was a president who could ignore a pestering press.  

He is titanically out of his league.  The ship has hit an iceberg, and the captain's still convinced it's unsinkable.


Another Hillary Supporter for Obama!
by Beltway Dem on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 12:23:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 312.321.2417 (2.00 / 3)

Obama must face this now, if he can withstand it, he will win Nov.
But if he canot, let him fall now, before it's too late.
by rolnitzky on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 12:08:38 PM EST

Re: 312.321.2417 (2.00 / 7)

if he can't face the Rezko questions now, he should drop out. The trail is not going to go away and everyone knows he sent an ovserver to watch the trail. Now that was really a boneheaded move.

We cannot afford 4 or 8 years of rookie mistakes.


by americanincanada on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 12:16:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

There was a diary (2.00 / 6)

at daily kos last week where the diarist launched a vitriolic attack on Hillary because she had drawn press attention to Obama's weaknesses as a candidate.  

I was nothing short of amused.


Another Hillary Supporter for Obama!
by Beltway Dem on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 12:20:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Obama, petulantly walking out on that (2.00 / 5)

press conference because the big bad press were asking him questions he didn't want to answer, told me all I need to know about who I'm supporting, and who will be, our next President.


Obama supporter working to defeat McCain.
by Rumarhazzit on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 12:36:15 PM EST

smears (2.00 / 3)

Dr Susan Rice, one of Obama's top foreign policy advisers (and no relation to Condoleezza), soon emphatically denied the report: "There [has] been no such contact. There [have] been no discussions on Nafta." Obama himself then told WKYC-TV in Ohio that "I think it's important for viewers to understand that [the report] was not true" and that "it did not happen." But on what turned out to be Black Monday for Obama, the Associated Press reported that it had obtained a 1,300-word memo repudiating Obama's denials and confirming that Obama's senior economic adviser had indeed met Canadian officials last 8 February, telling them that Obama's anti-Nafta stance was "more about political positioning than a clear articulation of policy plans." ...

Then, on Tuesday, Canadian public broadcasting reported the memo was inaccurate and the whole story was an intentional smear by Canadian Conservatives looking to bloody up the democrats for McCain.

But this story being chipped down time and again from a full blown scandal to absolutely nothing has never changed your commentary on it, has it?


by mattw on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 12:42:42 PM EST

Re: smears (2.00 / 2)

Then he should not have said "It did not happen."

He should have said. "That's not what happened."

If he had said that though, the next question was obviously "Well, then what did happen."

When he said "It did not happen." he was misleading. He was trying to foreclose further inquiries. That is what has gotten him in so much trouble.


by MediaFreeze on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 02:23:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: smears (none / 0)

The original story was sufficiently untrue as to not need further explanation. There was no phone call. Michael Wilson was not involved. Goolsbee claims he did not even use the word 'NAFTA' in their talk.

When you ask Obama, "Did a top official from your campaign call Michael Wilson to warn him you would not mean what you said on NAFTA?", how the crap is Obama supposed to connect that to a meeting where NAFTA was not mentioned by name, with a different person, that was conducted in person?


by mattw on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 04:24:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: smears (2.00 / 0)

Because, he knew what the reporter was asking about, and he tried to mislead the public by saying nothing happened when he knew something happened.

Let's try this. I ask you. "Did you help rob the bank?" Who get all defensive and swear up and down that you did not help rob the bank.  You say that you have never even been inside the bank, and dare me to look at the surveilance video from the bank robbery. Later it turns out that you drove the getaway car.

Well, you know that my question was general enough to include driving the getaway car, but you decide to interpret my question so narrowly that you can respond in an absolute. It's lying.


by MediaFreeze on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 05:53:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 312.321.2417 (2.00 / 2)

FANTASTIC!

Shout Intended.

This is only the beginning. Much more in store.

And I am smiling so much my face hurts.


by Fleaflicker on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 12:51:01 PM EST

Re: 312.321.2417 (none / 0)

You really don't care that the story has been debunked?


by mainelib on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 01:02:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 312.321.2417 (2.00 / 3)

I agree that the whole thing was overblown but didn't Obama say "It never happened"?  Isn't that not the truth - something happened although no one is 100% sure what happened or why.  Wouldn't it have been more prudent of him to say "We are looking into this"?


by JustJennifer on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 01:36:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 312.321.2417 (2.00 / 0)

But that would have made it look questionable!  Remember the Drudge Report kerfluffle?  Hillary's response was not clear cut enough for the Obama supporters (because she hadn't had an opportunity to fully investigate before going on the record to deny that anyone in her campaign was involved).  Obama supporters went on endlessly about her non-denial denial ad nauseam!  That's the problem with setting such a high bar, you have no room to be a human being without looking ridiculously hypocritical.  Yet another example of why many people see the Obama campaign as naive and inexperienced.


by newhorizon on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 04:44:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 312.321.2417 (2.00 / 3)

Earth to Obama Supporter:

There are some unusual things called facts. The funny thing about facts is that they are assertions of reality. Just because Barack says something doesn't make it a fact. I know it's hard for you to grasp this but try. It will make you feel so much better when the facts come out.


by Fleaflicker on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 01:37:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 312.321.2417 (none / 0)

Funny then that this whole diary is nothing but speculation and innuendo, as usual.  Whitewater for the 21st century.


by rfahey22 on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 10:35:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 312.321.2417 (2.00 / 3)

It has not been debunked.

When Obama said "It did not happen." he knew that a meeting had happened. The question certainly addressed such a meeting, so he was misleading. It's really very simply.


by MediaFreeze on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 02:01:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 312.321.2417 (2.00 / 1)

You'd think after EVERY article you write later proves to be inaccurate you'd be a little more careful about what your write.  

But I guess dirty politics wins as long as it serves your ultimate goal.  Who cares if there is any truth to the matter? Hearsay is sufficient evidence.

Rovian political tactics don't suddenly become O.K. when my side does it. They obfuscate the process and create a situation where people are making misinformed voting decisions.    


by matchles on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 01:01:40 PM EST

Pop goes the weasel (2.00 / 3)

It's about time the media got on Barack's case. He's a liar and the worst sort of politician. His record in Chicago, once properly scrutinized, reveals the true Barack and it ain't pretty. The lies and the coverups are finally getting some attention.

Now, he's going to try going after Hillary but his efforts will fail. The bloom is off that rose and he will never again be able to gain back what he had. That bubble of popularity has popped.


by Nobama on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 01:07:49 PM EST

Re: Pop goes the weasel (none / 0)

Since her campaign went back to invent the false story about the madrassa
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/22/o bama.madrassa/

Maybe Obama should go back and use the actual record to remind people how HRC made alegations against a 12 year old rape victim even though there was no evidence to support the HRC allegations.

"'I have been informed that the complainant is emotionally unstable with a tendency to seek out older men and to engage in fantasizing,' wrote Rodham, without referring to the source of that allegation. 'I have also been informed that she has in the past made false accusations about persons, claiming they had attacked her body.'
"Dale Gibson, the investigator, doesn't recall seeing evidence that the girl had fabricated previous attacks."
This is the Clinton behavior we've seen time and again: quite likely fabricated charges, so skillful so as to become impossible to completely disprove, which serve "the greater good" of whatever cause they're using at the moment to burnish their credentials, experience, or legacy.
What's disturbing about this article isn't that Clinton mounted a vigorous case as a public defender. It's that it appears she played fast and loose with the truth in order to satiate her manic desire to prove her "bulldog" toughness to other observers. You can mount a vigorous case, but you're not supposed to conjure up the circumstances that allow you to make that defense. Lying to help yourself out during your first court assigned case is not an indispensable part of the country's legal defense system.

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/ ny-usark245589997feb24,0,2670956.story


--1jphusseinb-- she's not a monster, as far as I know--diplomat Sinbad, making the world safe--all bluster, no cattle--
by 1jpb on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 01:42:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 312.321.2417 (none / 0)

Is this really what you want to be focusing your attention on? Really?


by sam2300 on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 01:39:06 PM EST

Re: 312.321.2417 (2.00 / 5)

He says he has superior judgment, and he says he makes boneheaded mistakes. Not yet ready for prime time.


by seattlegonz on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 01:52:41 PM EST

Re: 312.321.2417 (none / 0)

casts vote for woman who enabled worst foreign policy mistake since Vietnam


by amiches on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 03:42:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 312.321.2417 (none / 0)

Where are the tax returns?  Why do the Clintons want to wait until April 15 to release all the tax returns since Bill Clinton left the presidency?  http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0 308/Sparring_on_disclosure.html
Those were all filed - Someone just needs to scan them to pdfs.
by mainelib on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 01:53:43 PM EST

Re: 312.321.2417 (2.00 / 4)

Do you realize that Obama is being really dumb here? He's going to scream and scream about those tax returns and then their going to be released and there's nothing there. It was done to Bob Dole. Is Obama that naive?


No longer a Democrat, now proudly an independent voter!
by Ga6thDem on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 02:13:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 312.321.2417 (2.00 / 3)

Well, he was pretty naive to lie to the television reporter, so who knows?  It does seem strange that he himself would be the one out there demanding the tax returns. Usually that is the kind of job left to surrogates so if they are released and nothing is in them, then he would not look silly. It doesn't seem to me that his campaign media operation is that sharp.

They seem to think about the next news cycle and not about the bigger strategic picture.


by MediaFreeze on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 02:29:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 312.321.2417 (none / 0)

If there's nothing then, then why haven't they been released?

These are all the tax returns since Bill Clinton left office.

They've been prepared and submitted long ago.

What are they hiding?


by mainelib on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 02:35:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 312.321.2417 (none / 0)

I didn't say there is nothing there. I don't know. I agree that it is suspicious that she hasn't released them. We will see what's there I quess.

All I was saying is that he runs the risk of looking foolish if he himself makes it into a big deal and it then turns out there is nothing there.

I think it is smart for the Obama campaign to raise the issue, but they should have their surrogates doing it not him.


by MediaFreeze on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 02:40:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 312.321.2417 (none / 0)

Come on, mainelib - you can't just tell the voters that your campaign is funded by Kazakh energy tycoons! They'll start thinking that she's the terrorist!


by amiches on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 03:44:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 312.321.2417 (none / 0)

Hillary's doing the EXACT SAME THING.  she's screaming and screaming about Obama's "negatives", and there's nothing there.

the TACTIC is to put that seed of doubt into voters minds.  and Hillary is completely willing to play "politics as usual" to secure a win.

SCREW THAT.  the Democrats shouldn't be turning into Karl Rove Republicans.  and yet Clinton's campaign is EAGERLY PUSHING for that kind of "change".


by fightinfilipino on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 03:07:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 312.321.2417 (2.00 / 3)

Wow, Hillary wins, has a great night, turns the tide, and all the Obamaphilia sufferers come out with the politics as usual trash talk. I thought you actually bought into Obama's hype. Don't you believe in change? Things are changing. Obama is getting tarnished and rightly so. About time the media got on his case. His negatives are finally starting to show.

Hillary is going to be the nominee. Get used to it.


by Nobama on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 02:11:10 PM EST

In all seriousness (none / 0)

How on earth do you see Hillary as the nominee? The delegate count didn't change after tonight, MI and FL will not be seated as-is, and Obama has a pretty favorable string of votes before PA, where he has narrowed a 20 point gap to a 4 pt gap in two weeks.

Last night was just a bit of catharsis for the Clintons.


by amiches on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 03:46:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Hillary has a lot of skeletons and they are going (1.00 / 2)

to be brought out now. You all started it - the Democratic Party be dammed.

Just a tit bit - Monsanto - the worst company in the world is the Goldwater girls biggest supporter.  

Norman Hsu - he really did work for Clinton.

vetting - is that what you call the lies you perpetrate?


Listening comes first
by Moonwood on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 02:35:24 PM EST

Re: Hillary has a lot of skeletons and they are go (none / 0)

Obama has treated Hillary quite gingerly. She hasn't gotten the vetting Republicans will give her.

And now she acts like she has something to hide.

It reminds me of what she did with the health care task force, the Rose Law firm billing records, etc.
She always makes it worse by refusing to disclose information.


by mainelib on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 02:37:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: making a difference (none / 0)

Make a difference

http://my.barackobama.com/page/contact/s plash/callwyoming


by poserM on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 03:27:54 PM EST

Re: 312.321.2417 (none / 0)

How much did Rezko contribute to the Clintons since the early 90's.

Bill and Hillary need to release the donors to the Foundation and show the rezko contributions to his campaigns and the foundation.


by hawkjt on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 04:24:16 PM EST

What's with the whining? (2.00 / 1)

Clinton tax returns have suddenly become more important than oxygen apparently!!!  Can't say I remember other Dems getting hounded about it in past elections.

Anyway, for those of you hyperventilating about the issue, the tax returns will be released about April 15 and go back to the WH years.  I'm sure they'll show BC made lots of dough (like all ex-presidents) giving speeches and sitting on boards of directors.


by newhorizon on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 04:51:13 PM EST