Chris Matthews' Clingy Tingly For Obama Nearly "Official" + Olbermann's Blatant Sexism

Turns out that Chris Matthews' leg-tingling* that he discussed recently on MSNBC's Hardball -- aired on a network so blatantly pro-Obama that we all call it MSNBO these days -- is not due to restless leg syndrome.  It's a far more serious mental obsessive-compulsive condition that has disabled his ability to be neutral when discussing Obama.  Numerous reports confirm this exchange before a Harvard Crimson audience:

Praising Barack Obama throughout his speech, Matthews said the Illinois Democrat is a symbol of the positive change that he believe the country needs. [...]

When asked by another audience member how he would respond to the claim that MSNBC officially supports Obama, Matthews responded with typical Hardball wit, "Well, it's not official."

So it's "not official." But it's sure clear as day to all of us who used to watch MSNBC (except for Joe Scarborough and Pat Buchanan, of whom we've all become very fond for his sharp, objective insights and encyclopedic knowledge of political history).  

And you can take it to the bank, as they say, that MSNBO will not cover the Indiana illegal polling place activity today by Obama supporters, or the North Carolina Obama field coordinator urging his volunteers to call in sick and lie to their bosses.

Only the stories that help their "Chosen One" will be covered. And when Hillary must be mentioned, she is described, for example, by Andrea Mitchell as looking "wistful" this morning.

Or Clinton's outreach to bluecollar voters is characterized, again by Mitchell, as transforming herself (i.e., adopting a false persona) into the "working-class heroine." Asks Mitchell, "Is this makeover authentic to voters?" Whatever the description, the MSNBC tactic is intended to denigrate Hillary. (And I'm sure you readers can provide countless more examples of MSNBO's blatant tactics, with the exceptions of the more reality-based Joe Scarborough and Pat Buchanan.)

Here's a sampling of KEITH OLBERMANN's anti-Hillary snarky sexism on Monday's MSNBC Countdown (May 5, 2008), via Raw Story:

"We decided to prepare for tomorrows potential new re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-definition by compiling the guidelines offered so far," Olbermann said on Monday's show. "By the time we finished, it seems the only yardstick they had not yet offered was `Ladies First.'"

The ever-snarky Mr. Olbermann's longwinded pontifications continue: <!--more-->


"When you boil it all down in determining the Democratic party's nominee," Olbermann says. "Only one vote really matters: The 50-something, conservative, registered Democrat, who's not independent, but not a part of the base, and skipped college.... Who votes on domestic issues -- but not in a primary or caucus -- in a big state, that doesn't border in Illinois, that has elected female governors and members of Congress, but didn't vote Republican in 2004, won't vote Republican in 2008, and didn't vote for Jesse Jackson in 1984 or 1988. During an all-day vote, except for the hours between 7 and 7:15 p.m."

The most important criteria, if Clinton is to have a real shot at the nomination, though comes down to this, he says:

"Oh, and they don't object to their vote being overruled by superdelegates."

Hey, Keith, we women are able to be as catty as you. Yes, indeed.  Two can play this game, Keith and Chris:

From the New York Post's Page Six column on March 21, 2008:

March 21, 2008 -- IF you can stomach dating MSNBC blowhard Keith Olbermann , the role does have its perks. We hear Olbermann's live-in girlfriend, Katy Tur, 24, just landed a news-anchor job on CW11, allegedly with his help. Many are whispering about her qualifications, considering she once professed she didn't go to journalism school and she's simply been referred to as a "freelance cable producer" in New York and LA. We tried to reach Tur for comment but reps at CW didn't return calls."

And here's the an image of KO's girlfriend.

One thing you can "count down" towards, Mr. Olbermann, is that your very much younger girlfriend will have ditched you long before you've hit Hillary Clinton's age.

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* Footnote on Matthews' obsessive fantasies about Obama:

Here's how delusional Matthews is in his rapturous adoration of Obama, from the must-bookmark blog, "Is Barack Obama The Messiah?":

"I felt this thrill going up my leg . . ."



I have to tell you, you know, it's part of reporting this case, this election, the feeling most people get when they hear Barack Obama's speech. My, I felt this thrill going up my leg. I mean, I don't have that too often. No, seriously. It's a dramatic event. He speaks about America in a way that has nothing to do with politics. It has to do with the feeling we have about our country. And that is an objective assessment.
Chris Matthews, MSNBC [MP3 Recording | Video February 12, 2008.

Oh, and you can get your very own Is Barack Obama The Messiah? merchandise here:

Cafe Press



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Hi Susan (2.00 / 6)

so good to see you here.  I commented on this on the other blog.  I love that t-shirt and I think some Obama folks might even like one taking it all in good humor.

KO has so forever lost me with his skeevy sexist behavior.


For Obama it now becomes: Faith, hope and CHANGE! And the greatest of these is Change!
by TeresaInPa on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:36:48 PM EST

Re: Hi Susan (2.00 / 3)

First, Matthews has repeated slammed Obama supporters (specifically, crushing that hapless Obama surrogate from Texas), and has said that "The press loves McCain.  We're his base."  So that's his viewpoint.  He loves McCain, not Democrats.

But on KO, as far as I can tell, once a progressive criticizes Hillary, they're a terrible person.  KO, Rachel Maddow, Bill Richardson, etc.  I don't apply that standard in reverse---I still like Krugman a lot even though he regularly slams Obama.    

I'm serious here---are there any public figures who have criticized Hillary that Hillary supporters don't now loathe?  


John McCain: Healthcare for Kids? In America? No way
by bosdcla14 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:00:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

don't even try to (2.00 / 5)

defend this bunch of idiots by making up the strawman argument that we are too sensitive.


For Obama it now becomes: Faith, hope and CHANGE! And the greatest of these is Change!
by TeresaInPa on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:16:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: don't even try to (1.42 / 7)

Ah, anger. The next step in your grieving process:

Whenever one's identity and social order face the possibility of destruction, there is a natural tendency to feel angry, frustrated, helpless, and/or hurt. The volatile reactions of terror, hatred, resentment, and jealousy are often experienced as emotional manifestations of these feelings


"In the primary you should vote with your heart, but in the general, you should vote with your head" Bill Clinton
by venician on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:41:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

needlessly divisive (2.00 / 0)

Neither candidate can win in November without the other. Pissing off voters is bad strategy.


"Once in a while you get shown the light In the strangest of places if you look at it right"
by molly bloom on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:30:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Yet typical style for venecian (2.00 / 1)


My name is Barney Gumble, and I'm an alcoholic. Lisa: This is a girl scouts meeting. Barney: Is it, or is it you girls can't admit that you have a problem?
by PJ Jefferson on Tue May 06, 2008 at 09:11:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Yet typical style for venecian (none / 0)

Your sig doesn't make sense.  Wouldn't Hillary be the return of Bill Clinton-style triangulating since she had a hand the political strategy of the Clinton administration?


John McCain wants you to be poor!
by nklein on Wed May 07, 2008 at 07:27:03 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Its a quote from Markos Moulitsas. nt (none / 0)


My name is Barney Gumble, and I'm an alcoholic. Lisa: This is a girl scouts meeting. Barney: Is it, or is it you girls can't admit that you have a problem?
by PJ Jefferson on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:02:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

When did he make it? n/t (none / 0)


John McCain wants you to be poor!
by nklein on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:18:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Someone linked to that quote in a diary here, so I (none / 0)

clicked the link, and sure enough it took me to directly to Daily Kos, and Markos' own words.  Once I established it really was his words and not a phony link, I made it my sig.  I had to shorten it a tiny bit b/c you get such little space for a sig (160 characters or something like that), but that's the only type of editing I did.  

I wish I could remember the date of the comment, but I don't, sorry.  


My name is Barney Gumble, and I'm an alcoholic. Lisa: This is a girl scouts meeting. Barney: Is it, or is it you girls can't admit that you have a problem?
by PJ Jefferson on Wed May 07, 2008 at 03:57:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: don't even try to (2.00 / 1)

You'll get your grieving process when you lose to Mccain in November.


by northstars on Wed May 07, 2008 at 04:58:38 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: don't even try to (1.66 / 3)

A "strawman" argument is a claim that you're arguing something that you're not arguing.  I'm not saying that you're arguing anything.    

Instead, I'm pointing out that Obama supporters can hear criticism of their candidate from someone without automatically saying "that person is an awful person."  Many Hillary supporters do not seem to have that capability (again, feel free to prove me wrong by citing one public figure who criticized Hillary who you liked before and still like now).  

To quote Inigo Montoya, "you keep using that word.  I do not think it means what you think it means."  :)


John McCain: Healthcare for Kids? In America? No way
by bosdcla14 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 07:10:29 PM EST
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Re: don't even try to (2.00 / 1)

KO on TV isn't an idiot, but he does make fun of people who act, and speak, idiotically.

He may be an idiot in his personal life. Professionally, he's the only progressive regularly on TV, with his onw show, that regularly calls out anti-progressive activities.

He called out Hillary, and she deserved it.


McCainuire, The Wrath Of Not Enough Naps.
by catilinus on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:02:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hi Susan (2.00 / 7)

LOL!  Have you by any chance seen how anyone who mentions Gen Clark or Amb. Wilson are treated here?


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:38:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hi Susan (none / 0)

I like General Clark just fine.

As for Joseph Wilson, it's possible to like Hillary Clinton and to not be worthy of praise.  Nobody said we praise any damn fool to come down the pike just because they like Hillary Clinton - we said their opinion on the primary doesn't change whether we like or dislike them.  Case in point: Wesley Clark and again, Paul Krugman.


by Mostly on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:02:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hi Susan (none / 0)

Alegre, both sides do that. We should at least be honest about this highly disappointing primary phenomenon. I could make a laundry list of everyone who is now derided by former fans and supporters simply because they've chosen or are perceived to have chosen the wrong candidate.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:31:16 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hi Susan (none / 0)

I like both of them.  I'd also note that John at Americablog---longtime Obama supporter---is and remains a big Clark fan.  

Its really weird---Teresa or you could simply disprove my point by naming one person who's a public figure and Obama supporter who you and fellow Hillary supporters are still fine with.  One person.  Just one.  Instead, Teresa troll-rates me (maybe she hates the movie The Princess Bride, I happen to find it very funny), and you try to find additional Clinton surrogates who Obama people dislike.  

Seriously, it shouldn't be that hard to show this.  Claire McCaskill?  John Kerry?  Ted Kennedy?  Oprah?  


John McCain: Healthcare for Kids? In America? No way
by bosdcla14 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 04:45:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hi Susan (2.00 / 4)

I don't like people who have double-standards. If Olbermann, Mathews and Maddow applied the same standards to Obama that they apply to Clinton then I wouldn't have a problem with them.

Krugman has criticized both Obama and Clinton. He has one standard for both candidates.


by mmorang on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:56:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hi Susan (2.00 / 0)

let me explain the relevance....

"Fox News finished April as the seventh most highly rated cable network in prime time. CNN finished at #21 and MSNBC finished 29th.

In Total Day, FNC came in at #9, well ahead of CNN (25th) and MSNBC (30th).

Fox News had nine of the top ten highest rated programs for the month of April, with The O'Reilly Factor capturing the top spot again. CNN's highest rated show was Larry King Live (7th), while MSNBC's was Countdown with Keith Olbermann (19th)."

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/rati ngs/april_ratings_rankers_83669.asp

enough said.


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Tue May 06, 2008 at 09:09:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

stupid subject length 50 characters error (2.00 / 3)

How can Pat "way worse that Wright" Buchanan be lauded on a "progressive" site.  I mean, would MyDD support repealing the income tax for people making more than 100k if Senator Clinton put it forward?


I CAN HAZ BAHROCK DONASCHON?
by kasjogren on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:40:19 PM EST

Buchanan had a great insight (1.50 / 2)

about primaries.

Primaries aren't over when it becomes impossible for the candidate to win; primaries end when the donors stop contributing.

As long as HRC can milk donors for money with her "the Man done me wrong" shtick, she'll be taking shots at Obama.


Rrrinnggg... Time to change the government.
by Carl Nyberg on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:43:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Buchanan had a great insight (2.00 / 3)

I still don't like the idea of propping up Buchanan as anything but a wrong headed idealouge that has said some of the most horendous anti american things of my generation.


I CAN HAZ BAHROCK DONASCHON?
by kasjogren on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:49:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Buchanan had a great insight (1.00 / 2)

There is plenty of things wrong with Buchanan but he isn't nearly as bad as Obama supporters in the media who are totally biased and apply double standards:

I will never watch or listen to these folks again:
Rachel Maddow
Chris Matthews
Randi Rhodes
DailyKos
Air America

Why these imbeciles decided to butt in on the Democratic primary, choose sides and put their thumbs on the scale for Obama is beyond me.


by mmorang on Tue May 06, 2008 at 07:03:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Buchanan had a great insight (2.00 / 4)

So you compare these progressives to a guy who says blacks should be grateful for slavery, compared MLK to Hitler, called gays immoral and filthy, and said dishwashers and shopping centers "liberated" women?  I'm sorry, but I can't believe what I'm reading on this so-called "democratic" site.


by catalysis on Tue May 06, 2008 at 07:56:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Buchanan had a great insight (2.00 / 2)

There are people on this site who say black should be grateful for slavery.  You know who I'm talking about too - a regular wrecked list denizen.

What bugs me about people hoisting Buchanan on a flagpole isn't that his views are so atrocious - though they are - it's that I just like my fascists home grown.


by Mostly on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:05:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Buchanan had a great insight (2.00 / 3)

"Buchanan but he isn't nearly as bad as Obama supporters in the media....I will never watch or listen to these folks again:...
Rachel Maddow."

You choose Buchanan over Rachel Maddow?

I was just going to accuse you of doing that, but you outted yourself.

I can't accuse of thinking Buchanan is better than Maddow, because you just stated it.


McCainuire, The Wrath Of Not Enough Naps.
by catilinus on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:09:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Buchanan had a great insight (2.00 / 1)

thumbs on the scale - perfect analogy!


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Tue May 06, 2008 at 09:10:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

You've explained how I feel quite well, and I (2.00 / 2)

imagine there are millions of others just like us.

That is how you KNOW the corporate media is all about earning profits for its other subsidiaries, such as military industrial and financial, and that earning profits by discussing Britney Spears over warrantless wiretapping isn't the real issue.  

They (corporate media) are blatantly willing to tell half of their viewing audience to fuck off, as long as it gets a certain political candidate elected.  

They are willing to have their ratings - the one thing that is supposed to matter to them more than anything - take a back seat to shilling and slinging propaganda on behalf of the Obama campaign (and ultimately the McCain campaign).

For all you so-called liberals, what does that tell you?  That the corporate media, which is more interested in military and financial profits than news ratings profits, wants Obama vs. McCain, and wants to ruin the Clintons?

I know one thing.  The corporate media's obsession with ruining the Clintons and forcing Obama on me is one of the reasons I'm voting Clinton.  

I smell a rat.


My name is Barney Gumble, and I'm an alcoholic. Lisa: This is a girl scouts meeting. Barney: Is it, or is it you girls can't admit that you have a problem?
by PJ Jefferson on Tue May 06, 2008 at 09:19:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Worth repeating (2.00 / 1)

I still don't like the idea of propping up Buchanan as anything but a wrong headed idealouge that has said some of the most horendous anti american things of my generation.

I love it!


"Once in a while you get shown the light In the strangest of places if you look at it right"
by molly bloom on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:37:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

why nominate the candidate (2.00 / 1)

who is disliked by the media when the Dems have a candidate who is liked by the media?

On what issue is HRC so much better than Obama that it's worth nominating the candidate who is weaker at handling the media?


Rrrinnggg... Time to change the government.
by Carl Nyberg on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:41:06 PM EST

Re: why nominate the candidate (2.00 / 4)

Yeah. Why not let the media pick the candidate they want, and then we go along with it.  Yeah, yeah, that's the ticket. Why don't we do that.  They have done such a good job so far. Why not go with the candidate that the MEDIA likes.


by Scotch on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:11:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: why nominate the candidate (2.00 / 2)

No, we're picking the candidate with the most votes and the most delegates :) It's just a nice bonus when the media likes him better than the other guy.


by amiches on Tue May 06, 2008 at 10:06:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Tweety et al (2.00 / 6)

Susan, thanks for confirming the O'bias we knew all along.


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:41:10 PM EST

Or like Nora O'Donnel earlier today (2.00 / 4)

on MSNBO saying to Rep. Clyburn of S.C., "...you have been the voice of reason..." I nearly fell off my chair.


Obama supporter working to defeat McCain.
by Rumarhazzit on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:41:14 PM EST

if ever there was a "journalist" who (1.33 / 3)

needed an enema it is Nora.


For Obama it now becomes: Faith, hope and CHANGE! And the greatest of these is Change!
by TeresaInPa on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:12:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: if ever there was a "journalist" who (none / 0)

I am not going to defend Norah O donnel who has been lacking in her journalistic responsibilities over the war. Yet it would be funny how your type would be shrieking if something similar was said about Hillary. "SEXIST REMARK!"


by Pravin on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:37:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]

You are wrong, Susan! (2.00 / 2)

But funny--on KO's g/f. I don't see KO in any of those pics, but it looks like the girl enjoys a good time. I hope KO can keep her entertained.

Maybe she was dancing to "Smells Like Teen Spirit."

I hope KO is happy. Perhaps he needs a thrill up his leg.


Obama-Clinton: The New Glory of America
by Zeitgeist9000 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:41:55 PM EST

Re: You are wrong, Susan! (2.00 / 1)

Merlot thrills him.


Fight for Democrats in Congress.
by owl06 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:53:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

So Olberman and Matthews comment on the candidates (2.00 / 3)

and you return with personal attacks on them and their families and friends. Nice. Go for it. It reflects well on Clinton supporters.


John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.
by Travis Stark on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:42:22 PM EST

Huh? (1.75 / 4)

How is this an attack on their families?  Are you refering to KO's girlfriend?  LOL


by JustJennifer on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:46:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Huh? (2.00 / 2)

Good catch.  Because personally going after Keith Olbermann's girlfriend - for being good-looking, among other crimes - is perfectly okay.


by Mostly on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:17:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

the t-shirt is one more piece of evidence (1.50 / 4)

HRC supporters don't want to have a serious discussion about policy or politics. They want to be pissed that their candidate is losing and they want to show the maximum amount of disrespect toward Obama's supporters.


Rrrinnggg... Time to change the government.
by Carl Nyberg on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:47:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Not all Hillary supporters. (1.75 / 4)

Don't make the mistake of judging all Hillary supporters by the ones here. The majority here are far from typical.


John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.
by Travis Stark on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:58:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

True (none / 0)

I agree with Susan over the obvious media bias - but I think she should have left Olbermann's personal life alone.  I don't care whom he sleeps with - I'm only interested in what he has to say.  But it's not just Clinton supporters over the line here.  Calling Susan a known racist was despicable.  The person making that claim offered up no examples of Susan's supposed bigotry either.  

This hate-mongering on both sides has to stop.  What are you idealogs going to do should Obama and Clinton end up on the same ticket?  And before you say `impossible' - I give you Kennedy and Johnson as well as Reagan and Bush I.  


by The Fat Lady Sings on Tue May 06, 2008 at 11:33:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: the t-shirt is one more piece of evidence (none / 0)

The T-shirts disrespect Christ


by Roberta on Tue May 06, 2008 at 10:37:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Dude, I'm buying that Messiah shirt. (2.00 / 4)

That's seriously hilarious, no matter which candidate you support.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:45:46 PM EST

Classy! (2.00 / 5)

Classy diary.  Oh, sorry wrong diary.  This is actually the opposite.


Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove.
by fogiv on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:48:38 PM EST

Re: Classy! (none / 0)

I don't know Hu this Susan is, but she definitely has issues.  KO's take on the Clinton rules was spot on, yet somehow she zeroes in on the "Ladies First" bit and defines it as "sexist"?  Actually, it was just calling it for the BS it is.  After tonight though, the wheels may have fallen off the goalposts.


by frsbdg on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:26:53 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Chris Matthews' Clingy Tingly For Obama Nearly (2.00 / 3)

Gosh, Susan, Pat Buchanan has made some accurate observations in this primary, but I wouldn't say "we've all become very fond of him."  My goodness.

Did you ever see the video where Buchanan told Keli Goff to "shut up" on the air?  Very, very uncomfortable to watch.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:49:44 PM EST

I don't know who Kelli Goff is (2.00 / 1)

but I would pay him to tell Mikka B to STFU.


For Obama it now becomes: Faith, hope and CHANGE! And the greatest of these is Change!
by TeresaInPa on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:04:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I don't know who Kelli Goff is (2.00 / 1)

Trust me when I say it came across pretty badly.  By the way, Mika sure had Hillary's back on the Penn & Teller thing!


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:26:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

It sounds like (2.00 / 2)

Clinton may be getting the Edwards treatment.  Remember?  Not authentic, phony, cannot care about working people if they have money.

There seems to be a pattern here.  

Hard to believe a centrist like Clinton would be getting the treatment.  

Is corporate America more comfortable with Obama?  Is so, why?

I'm not sure.  

I see both as very similar on most, but not all, issues.

Is it sexism?  Or could they  be right?

All are possible explanations.

It does seems as if much of the MSM and big blogs (Kos/TPM) favor Obama.


by TomP on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:55:03 PM EST

Re: It sounds like (2.00 / 6)

From where I sit (which happens to be on Wall Street), corporate America has no real preference as between Clinton and Obama.  Edwards was the only one they really hated.  Well, and Huckabee on the Republican side.

The meme that Clinton is a calculating panderer with no real values goes way back to the wingnut smears of the 90s.  It's not something the pundits just came up with, it's a familiar frame they like to apply to her.

There are two main lines of attack the Republicans use against our candidates: either they're elitists who govern by polls and don't have a moral compass, or they're vaguely alien creatures with values unlike those of real Americans.  Obviously, Clinton is the former and Obama is the latter.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:02:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It sounds like (none / 0)

It's a shame she keeps playing into their wingnut smears, then. Someone should have passed her the memo before she signed onto the McCain Gas Tax Holiday.


by amiches on Tue May 06, 2008 at 10:10:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It sounds like (none / 0)

You'll want to find a more low-information voter than myself if you want to peddle lies like that.  Go away.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Tue May 06, 2008 at 10:39:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It sounds like (none / 0)

Unnecessary personal attack, Steve. I'm sorry that the Gas Tax Holiday was such incredible pandering that it painted her as someone who will do and say anything, regardless of the consequences, to get elected. If that's how the opposition likes to view her, she shouldn't play into it.


by amiches on Wed May 07, 2008 at 06:27:15 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It sounds like (2.00 / 1)

Tom, Obama's been getting the Edwards treatment from the media for the past month. Arugula? Bad bowling? Orange juice instead of coffee? Now, he certainly helped inflict his own damage with the bitter comment, but this was a narrative the media's been waiting to jump on.

The reason is this:

The media considers Democrats to be phonies. It's been hardwired into their brains since at least 2000, when "real guy" Bush beat back the nerdy Gore.

Since then, the media comes prepackaged with a color-by-numbers narrative in which all Democrats are uncomfortable in their own skin, don't understand "real" America, adopt fake personae, are weak/feminine, etc., etc. (This basically encapsulates every article Maureen Dowd has written this century.)

So of course they attacked Edwards the same way, and are attacking the remaining candidates, as well.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:41:26 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It sounds like (none / 0)

I think it is anti-Clinton bias as much as anything. these people never liked Bill or Hillary Clinton while he was president and that has carried over to these primaries. They never played the "Washington game" that insiders like Andrea "Mrs. Greenspan", etc. expected of them.

The supreme irony in all this is that Obama is the safe Bill Clinton centrist who so disappointed progressives during the '90's, while Hillary has turned into a real populist. We are going to get stuck with the wrong candidate again. The fact that so many educated people who follow politics closely can possibly see Obama as more liberal than Hillary astounds me.


by northstars on Wed May 07, 2008 at 05:38:30 AM EST
[ Parent ]

You go... (2.00 / 3)

KO!!   She is hhhoooooottt!!!  Nice work.


Obama supporter who is damn glad Hillary Clinton is a Democrat!!
by hootie4170 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:55:58 PM EST

Andrea Mitchell (2.00 / 4)

She really seems to despise Hillary.  I remember seeing her at Hillary's gala the night of the PA Primary.  Based solely on exit polls, Mitchell was describing a very tight race in which Clinton would be drastically underperforming expectations.  She mentioned something about the campaign feeling grim and disappointed.  She said the mood there was somber and unhappy.  She could barely contain her glee!

But, Oh My God, that's not what happened in Pennsylvania when the votes started coming in.  


2004 swing state margins: PA-2%, OH-2%, IA-1%, WI-0.5%, MI-3%, FL-5%, NM-1%; Alienating 50% of the party is a luxury we can't afford.
by BPK80 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:57:01 PM EST

Re: Andrea Mitchell (2.00 / 3)

Don't forget she's the one who lobbed that soft ball to Reagan when Gerry Ferraro questioned his so-called Christianity in  1984, allowing him to hit it out of the park. God, she's such a dope.


by handsomegent on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:16:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Andrea Mitchell (none / 0)

In Mitchell's defense, she is a miserable person and hates everybody. It just so happens that she somehow got assigned to the Clinton beat.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:42:39 AM EST
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Re: Andrea Mitchell (none / 0)

She's the senior correspondent.  And covering Hillary Clinton was supposed to be the plum assignment.

I've never liked her, and laughed my ass off at the look on her face after Iowa.  Like "great - some young punk is covering Barack Obama, and I get to cover 'and Special Guest'".


by Mostly on Wed May 07, 2008 at 05:11:02 AM EST
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nice to see you Susan (2.00 / 5)

Pretty ridicuolus, the bias is just so blatant that it is seriously funny.  I'm waiting for the "100th monkey" phenomenon, when enough people have seen through this that MSNBC goes the way of other stations that just don't hide their bias anymore....like becoming predicable and sometimes laughing stocks!


by 4justice on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:57:12 PM EST

ZOMG! (1.75 / 4)

North Carolina Obama field coordinator urging his volunteers to call in sick and lie to their bosses.

LIE to their BOSS?  How DARE they!

If this is what outrages Hillary's supporters, then their support for working America, populism, etc., is even more shallow than I'd expected.

Want an America where you are your employer's property?  Vote Hillary!


Support Regina Thomas, GA-12
by Drew on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:58:21 PM EST

Oh, noes! (1.50 / 2)

I've run afoul of boss-lovin' Hillary supporters.


Support Regina Thomas, GA-12
by Drew on Tue May 06, 2008 at 07:57:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Oh, noes! (none / 0)

It happens to the best of us.

I advise you to "sip" your drink of choice.


by Mostly on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:19:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

No Quarter??? (1.80 / 5)

Ah, the No Quarter lady....Gets kind of boring when you keep blogging to people who always agree with you over there, huh?


Obama supporter who is damn glad Hillary Clinton is a Democrat!!
by hootie4170 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:58:54 PM EST

Obama says (2.00 / 2)

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For Obama it now becomes: Faith, hope and CHANGE! And the greatest of these is Change!
by TeresaInPa on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:08:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama says (1.20 / 5)

Yay!!!  Teresa has figured out how to imbed pictures!!!   Woooo Hoooo, now she post this picture of Barack on every diary...maybe it speaks of your vocabulary...


Obama supporter who is damn glad Hillary Clinton is a Democrat!!
by hootie4170 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:11:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama says (2.00 / 5)

You make me feel young again with your post.  Like I'm in 5th grade all over again.  Thanks.


by Scotch on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:24:39 PM EST
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Re: Obama says (1.00 / 1)

No prob...


Obama supporter who is damn glad Hillary Clinton is a Democrat!!
by hootie4170 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:26:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama says (none / 0)

Is that a flag pin on his lapel?


by Scotch on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:23:02 PM EST
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Re: Obama says (1.50 / 2)

you have room to talk...


Obama supporter who is damn glad Hillary Clinton is a Democrat!!
by hootie4170 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:27:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama says (2.00 / 3)

Um-hunh?


by Scotch on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:30:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Where's her flag pin then? (none / 0)


John McCain wants you to be poor!
by nklein on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:17:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

You'll always have Pennsylvania (none / 0)

The memory will be like warm cocoa during the long winter of the Obama presidency.


by ReillyDiefenbach on Wed May 07, 2008 at 02:26:44 AM EST
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Re: You'll always have Pennsylvania (2.00 / 1)

You mean the McCain presidency.


by northstars on Wed May 07, 2008 at 05:41:33 AM EST
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It seems like your hoping for that outcome n/t (none / 0)


John McCain wants you to be poor!
by nklein on Wed May 07, 2008 at 07:47:28 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: No Quarter??? (2.00 / 1)

Haha, "the No Quarter lady."

I was gonna say... "aired on a network so blatantly pro-Obama that we all call it MSNBO".  Is that at your Daughters of the American Revolution meeting?


by Mostly on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:09:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Chris Matthews' Clingy Tingly For Obama Nearly (2.00 / 5)

any diary that mentions the words joe Scarborough and Pat buchanan for their objective insights is flawed at its core...


"I am standing with Barack Obama to say, `Yes, we can!'" Hillary Clinton 6/7/08
by feliks on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:59:04 PM EST

Re: Chris Matthews' Clingy Tingly For Obama Nearly (none / 0)

Back when this site had instant registration and was TOTALLY batshit with people who have fled to No Quarter, I responded to a post kind of like this, but much more distraught, with "It's like the only people who make sense any more are Bill O'Reilly, Pat Buchanan and Joe Scarborough!"

They bought it.  Sympathetic posts.


by Mostly on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:21:48 PM EST
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It's not just MSNBC... (2.00 / 1)

it's the entire NBC network from Meredith Viera to Andrea Mitchell to Matthews to Olbermann (whom I've stopped watching recently). I think all Clinton supporters should boycott NBC as well as The NY Times and Newsweek.


by handsomegent on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:10:54 PM EST

Re: It's not just MSNBC... (2.00 / 4)

Clinton supporters should just burry their head in the sand.

Its sad really.  I thought an irrational self-fulfilling projection of bias against them and their candidate/leader was a trait exclusive to the Right Wing.

When you see bias everywhere - you have to ask yourself: maybe my position is just not that popular.  Or maybe my "facts" are subjective to my own bias?


Hoosiers for Hill -- Barack Obama
by BWasikIUgrad on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:21:02 PM EST
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Re: It's not just MSNBC... (none / 0)

Your posts are ugly and explicitly hostile towards Clinton supporters.
So - go ahead and troll rate me -
As a lifelong Democrat I will skip voting for Obama this November and will be joining quite a few others, too.

Troll rate all you wish.
Because you and many of your cohort in the Obama camp have zero ability to build coalitions.  You only see yourselves as some great new wave of change and vilify those who are not believers.

I got news for you, buddy, that strategy isn't going to work in the general.


by johnnygunn on Tue May 13, 2008 at 01:27:25 PM EST
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Re: It's not just MSNBC... (2.00 / 5)

It doesn't take much effort to boycott them either.  There is a natural gag reflex when they show up on the dial.

It amazes me that they are risking all on Obama.
They have already lost a lot of their previous viewers because of their over the top leg tingling, Oberman statements, and many other things.  What is going to happen when the Dems lose in the fall, and they are looking to their low, but certain ratings from pre-election times
to return to them once again?  We will be gone and then whose going to gag?  I haven't used a Lysol product for 20 years because I was offended by one of their commercials once.  I can wait MSNBC out for 30.


by Scotch on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:21:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

When you have to boycott a paper... (none / 0)

that endorsed her.  It may not be a sign of bias in the news media (it could be a sign of your bias).


John McCain wants you to be poor!
by nklein on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:21:36 PM EST
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Re: It's not just MSNBC... (2.00 / 2)

Boycott the Times?

LOL....ROFL...Some of you HRC supporters are hilarious.  They ENDORSED her.  Are you all out of love now?


I'm riding the Low Road Express. Join me at www.lowroadexpress.com
by LtWorf on Tue May 06, 2008 at 09:58:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]

NYT (none / 0)

Didn't the Times endorse Clinton?  That's not good enough for you?


John McCain vows to overturn Roe
by soccerandpolitics on Wed May 07, 2008 at 04:28:05 AM EST
[ Parent ]

moving the goal post (2.00 / 3)

I stopped watching Hardball... because Matthews a lot of times lacks the insight to ask the right questions or maybe he chooses not to. He seems like a jump on the bandwagon type, as do most people in the media these days.

I however did see Olbermann monologue, and I'd have to say I agree with him. Sen Clinton does not help herself by moving the goal post every time she loses, reminds me of when I was a kid.


by FLS on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:17:39 PM EST

Re: Chris Matthews' Clingy Tingly For Obama Nearly (2.00 / 6)

Hells bells - its about freakin time Tweety came clean!


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:26:13 PM EST

Hillary is Huckabee (1.50 / 2)

Funny you bash the MSM, but at this point they are all that is keeping hillary relevant. If they didn't distort the Math, or regurgitate hillary talking points, hillary would have had to drop out. You should be thanking them.


"In the primary you should vote with your heart, but in the general, you should vote with your head" Bill Clinton
by venician on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:04:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Huh? I think it's the fact that there's still... (none / 0)

a Primary going on that keeps candidates in the race. By what logic would one of the candidates have to drop out if they're still campaigning, on the ballot and getting votes? That's kind of how democracy works-no one HAS to get out of an election before it's over just so the other candidate has no opposition.


berkshiretrueblue Commited to helping elect a Democrat as President "Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo" Ambroise Bierce
by berkshiretrueblue on Tue May 06, 2008 at 09:17:58 PM EST
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Re: Huh? I think it's the fact that there's still. (none / 0)

Because when one of the candidates wraps up a majority, or makes it so that they're virtually assured of one, it becomes pointless to continue campaigning.  At least if your aim is to win: if it's something else then that's different.


by Mostly on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:47:37 AM EST
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Re: Chris Matthews' Clingy Tingly For Obama Nearly (2.00 / 1)

That whole network needs a good spring cleaning.  Objectivity is just a word in the dictionary to these news people.  And when Joe Scarborough has become the voice of reason you know they have lost their moorings.  It's all day, every day, Obama, Obama, Obama.  For God sake you think they discovered the Rosetta Stone!  I gave up on them months ago but even the few times I allowed my remote to go there it is the same old, same old.  Boring.  


by Pat J on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:41:37 PM EST

Call the Waaaabulance! (1.00 / 0)

What ever happened to the "Can't stand the heat" campaign...oh I forgot Hillary gets to take every side of all issues.


by JoeCoaster on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:47:57 PM EST

Re: Chris Matthews' Clingy Tingly For Obama Nearly (2.00 / 1)

I don't watch MSMBC, so I can't comment on the main point of the diary; however, No Quarter and Obama Messiah are absolutely looney places. I tried posting a bit on No Quarter, but the shrill hatred there is overwhelming.

(And please note, I've never made that accusation of this site or posters here.)


by tomchaps on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:59:31 PM EST

You need the visual.... (2.00 / 1)

It's just too funny to pass up.


by soyousay on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:37:59 PM EST

Re: Chris Matthews' Clingy Tingly For Obama Nearly (2.00 / 2)

Keith Olbermann is a sexist?  Riiiiiiiight.  Maybe you haven't watched him enough.  He's a great progressive.  He just likes it when rules are followed.


by gorebeatbush2 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:45:34 PM EST

Bulletin: (2.00 / 4)

It is NOT possible to be a "great progressive" and use sexist language to demean women.  These two things just don't go together.


by Radiowalla on Tue May 06, 2008 at 07:06:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Bulletin: (2.00 / 2)

Precisely why I think the diarist is not a progressive.


by Mostly on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:23:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

SusanHu is back! (2.00 / 3)

And this place was getting dangerously close to logical.


Unable to rec or rate
Still supporting Obama
Still not putting up with "preening" posts
by jaiwithani on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:50:52 PM EST

Hillary is Huckabee (2.00 / 1)

To all clinton supporters can you please provide a list of broadcasters  you DO approve of.


"In the primary you should vote with your heart, but in the general, you should vote with your head" Bill Clinton
by venician on Tue May 06, 2008 at 07:04:17 PM EST

huh? (2.00 / 3)

Could somebody please tell me where he was being sexist? I think I missed it.


by Djo on Tue May 06, 2008 at 07:37:37 PM EST

Re: huh? (2.00 / 2)

I think it's because he doesn't praise Hillary.


Check out McCain.
by you like it on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:25:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Susan Hu's back and we couldn't be happier (2.00 / 3)

Oh, susan you're back.  I've been missing your whlly biased and completely insubstanital opinion.  I'm glad that you're able to make it back after being banned for vicious hit diaries.  I notice that you have not changed your MO.  And that you are blaming everone but Hillary for her failure as a candidate.  Where are you going to go when Obama wins this thing?


John McCain wants you to be poor!
by nklein on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:00:39 PM EST

Re: Susan Hu's back and we couldn't be happier (none / 0)

I'm sure Redstate would welcome Susan's "talents."  They tend to like irrational, hysterical hit diaries on Democrats.


John McCain vows to overturn Roe
by soccerandpolitics on Wed May 07, 2008 at 04:31:36 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Chris Matthews' Clingy Tingly For Obama Nearly (none / 0)


"Once in a while you get shown the light In the strangest of places if you look at it right"
by molly bloom on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:51:13 PM EST

I am so sad (1.66 / 3)

I am a sad panda.  I am serious.  I have been around the political blogs for a long time now and some of my favorite people used to be Alegre and SusanHu.

wtf happened?

These were some of the shining stars of the blogosphere.  God I hope things go back to some semblance of normal after the primaries are over, cause this shit is scary.


accepting McLettuce is like being 9 years old and forced to eat your own cooking
by Sychotic1 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 09:32:54 PM EST

Did you ever think you'd see the day where SusanHu (2.00 / 1)

praised Pat Buchanan?! 9 months ago I'd have said, "no way!" Today? Not shocked.

Hopefully after the primary is over the aliens will release your body Susan...because honestly...WOW! I could say you've jumped the shark, but let's be honest - that was months ago.

So much for MyDD - the "progressive" or "democratic" blog...where Pat Buchanan - racist moron - is praised.


by Elise on Tue May 06, 2008 at 10:00:47 PM EST

Re: Chris Matthews' Clingy Tingly For Obama Nearly (2.00 / 1)

How is this disgusting crap on the Rec list?


by brathor on Tue May 06, 2008 at 10:33:27 PM EST

Jack Cafferty too (none / 0)

I can't watch CNN due to Jack Cafferty's obvious Obama cheer leading that is constant.

I'm so disgusted with these talking heads biasing this primary.  I don't remember anything this bad and that includes our biased fav, FAUX news.


NoSlaves.com | The Economic Populist
by Robert Oak on Tue May 06, 2008 at 10:33:34 PM EST

Re: Jack Cafferty too (2.00 / 2)

I can't read the NYTimes OPed section due to Paul Krugman's obvious Hillary cheer leading that is constant...... or wait a minute actually I do still read it because the world doesn't revolve around just this race.  Just because Krugman doesn't like my candidate as much as the other doesn't mean that he's disgusting.


by GobBluth on Tue May 06, 2008 at 11:41:15 PM EST
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Re: Chris Matthews' Clingy Tingly For Obama Nearly (none / 0)

So, I read the diary, and I didn't see anything sexist from KO. Is it because he said that about "ladies first?" Seems like a stretch.
by Bargeron on Tue May 06, 2008 at 10:49:04 PM EST

the media handed Obama (none / 0)

this nomination. They clearly demonized the Clintons intentionally so as to give Obama the nod. Not a single unabashedly pro Clinton commentator on TV, never for either Bill or Hillary Clinton in the last 20 years?  Why? What is it that they love in the Bushes, Reagan, and Obama? Why do they hate the Clintons so much?


"there is nothing wrong with Ame